Mistake. We will correct it right now.

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I haven't quite got the team attack question you people keep talking about. This is never obviously a good tactic. In my group, during the first stage, a player tried a similar tactic, and obviously only harmed himself. If we are talking about a 1vs1, I could understand the reasons to complain. Now, in a play 2vs1, 3vs1 or 4vs1, how is this a good tactic? Only if the cyclist's stats of the PERSON who is team attack are better, which with a ladder db, is impossible to happen. So, without knowing what happen, if Hijo's tactic was going to work (until he decided to stop), it was because Evert or Pliox played badly. I apologise, and ask for fair play and ethic to Evert and Pliox, and in case prints of the stages exist, please post it in the topic, so we can open up the signups for the road 2nd chance, and we can't do it until we know who passed on.

@StijnDV, first of all, the fact of things beeing done like last year doesn't mean they're correct. That's a pointless justification. There's plenty of things we thought was a bit out of context, and that could be improved in the WC organized by you guys, the French community or by the Italian community. And certaintly, next year things we failed at will be improved. It's normal, it's the way life works. Now, the race situation that your pointing out as an example rarelly, or never, happens, because if intermediate and mountain sprints count, it will be hard for players to reach with all they're ciclists completelly fresch 50km's away from the finish line. After, the situation of the leader falling and/or puncturing is pretty race, and it usually has more tendency to happen in cobbled stages (as it does in real life). You play this game for more years than I do Stijn, and you know it perfectly that if you're focused and if you pull the pack with a helper, the team attack won't work, and it's because your lead fell that you had less chances of catching the players who did a team attack. And I doubt that he made a team attack with 6 riders and that they were all fresh up until 50km's to the finish line.
In conclusion, if the team attack worked it's because the remaining players played badly in that stage. Therefore, it doesn't make senses for not to allow people to make that stragtegy call, cause if all the players have a good performance, it won't be benefitial for who does them.

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@Diablo: It's nothing against you, it's just in general that I don't like team attacks, if it happened in an other group I would also make this statement. And about the fact we talked dutch, it's simple, I said that I needed to go because my girlfriend was here and in the room of stage 2 Pliox and Evert told each other the same thing. It hadn't anything to do with tactical things, just to clarify that. And the moment you asked to talk english, I also said I needed to go and Pliox and Evert talked in english.

@Dinli: Yes I agree mostly with you, I know the game pretty good, that's also why I have my own opinion on that, I appreciate you guys accept team attacks, but that doesn't mean I have te be totaly agreeing with that, Ok, it's in the rules now, I will accept them. I just have my own opinion about team attacks and I think several players will agree with me. It's no attack to the organisation at all, so we're good :p.

Pliox, could you post the screens of the 2nd day?? I want to play in the 1/2 finals..

Pliox confirmed that you won second day, and that StijnDV passed as best in GC.

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Pliox already talked to Dinli, you won the 2nd Day.

In your group advances to the next round the players StijnDV, Hijo and Pliox.

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Sign e outros --> devianART

Miguel98 is not online at the moment but he has calculated all group's results, tomorrow morning he will post who are the players that went through this round. Obviously, the ones who already know that they were eliminated can register in this second chance.

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Team Attack is never a good tactick? So you can't think of a situation where it is a very effectif one?

If people play decently it will never be a good tactic.

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@Evert

Evert, I can't understand your attitude. As you probably know, I've been opening exceptions to players coming from your community, I've been trying to be the most impartial possible, and I'm sincerely sorry of watching attitudes like yours today. How much did it cost to restart your group, when you weren't in game? Hardi111 was delayed 2 to 3 minutes, and you can't restart your group? Are you playing with childs or with grown ups, with formations and moral values? It's because of actions like this that people on this side of the game, in the organization, lost there motivation to keep doing this. Things have gone well, fortunatelly, this year, and we're not going to ruin it. I noticed you we're a bit on bad mood and annoyed, and just because there's a rule in the road event you don't agree with, the truth is that teack attack is an awful tactic, and only works when the others players play like crap. You have no reason in that subject, and I think that just because we do not share your opinion, you shouldn't have the attitude you had today. Besides beeing written in the rules that if the player that is supposed to host doesn't show up, the event should be started a bit later. But even if it wasn't, it is a good deed as a person and as a player that you should restart the room when you see a player in the lobby that is coming to play. The things is, this isn't even in the rules. It's a question of ethics and moral values. I hope similar things don't happen again. Especially when organizers are asking you not to do it again.
Since then, I say sorry to Hardi1111, because even if you arrived a bit late, you had all the conditions and right to play.

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Did not know it was an organizer. It is not very visible. Host was here on time. room was created on time. Host said to go further. Was not in bad mood. On the contrary. Juve won a new title. Don't know why you think that. Everyone asked/demand to continue playing. Except one. Fair play lol.

I know a lot about ethics and moral values. I am open to talk about that.


So, if everyone from one country rides very bad times (much beneath their normal times) at 200m tt. Would it be fair play to do a rematch with a new host?

If you play with 3 (why not more players in a group :s) and one is allready placed for the next round and does nothing.... When a leader from one falls away, it is a very sad tactic to attack with all your riders. I had to sacrifice my 3th best rider to close the gap as fast as possible, which i did after almost 20 km.

I was with 2 riders in the attack with 2 minutes advantage, lost this advantage also. So i had just 1 rider (my 2 best) left. In this case it was a good tactik to do team attack. It just had to be forbidden like it always was. Now my favorite discipline is over.

But i won't talk about it anymore. Your decision is made and i can't do nothing about it. but i find it very sad to be honnest to play like this.

Why don't you complain about blocks in road also? Do you see them irl? But they can be part of the game right?

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Guilherme is not an organizer, but obviously he was telling you to rematch because I telling him so. despite him being organizer or not, he has good sense and doesnt need that type of attitude to pass the event. the host was on time, but to my knowledge the supposed host didnt host the match and it was you. therefore there should've been given a certain time for the players to realise the situation. Evert, I have nothing against you or your community's players, actually, as I said in the previous post I've opened exceptions to those guys. and yes Evert your atitude was silly, likely from someone who never organized anything. it didnt cost you nothing to wait and today it happened to Hardi1111, but tomorrow it might happen to you.
Evert I dont want to talk about the other world championships, because we're obviously talking about this one and your atitude towards it. It makes no sense to excuse your actions with certain minor actions on our part. But if you insist, let me tell you that ethics, fair play and morals was far from what you had last year. obviously the situation in the 200m tt that you mention isn't just to you but before the event happened nobody public complained about the host choice, during the event nobody complained either but of course its funny how after the final results everyone complained about the situation and the supposed lag. Hypocrisy? Call it what you want, during the event no one ever many any chat complaints. But of course Evert we understand that you are Belgium and we are Portugal and it was useful to give another rematch to the game by the organizers.

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